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Study finds the most accurate Qwen3 judges aren't always the best trainers

According to a post on X by @SciFi, Angel Raychev, Nathan Lile and Rafael Rafailov tested Qwen3 judge models from 0.6B to 14B as online reward models for creative-writing training. Thinking judges trained with GRPO scored higher on static accuracy, but simpler answer-only judges produced better policies through online DPO in seven of eight matched settings. The post also says bigger judges helped a lot, including judges larger than the policy being trained.

Source: Scobleizer News Pulse (X) · x.com Found via Robert Scoble’s Scobleizer News Pulse · a post on X, not independently verified Published 2026-10-25T11:00:00+00:00 Detected 2026-10-25T13:23:46+00:00
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According to a post on X by @SciFi, Angel Raychev, Nathan Lile and Rafael Rafailov tested Qwen3 judge models from 0.6B to 14B as online reward models for creative-writing training. Thinking judges trained with GRPO scored higher on static accuracy, but simpler answer-only judges produced better policies through online DPO in seven of eight matched settings. The post also says bigger judges helped a lot, including judges larger than the policy being trained.

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Angel Raychev, Nathan Lile and Rafael Rafailov tested Qwen3 judges from 0.6B to 14B as online reward models for creative-writing training. Thinking judges trained with GRPO scored higher on static accuracy, but simpler answer-only judges produced better policies through online DPO in seven of eight matched...

Teams building or fine-tuning open-source models with reward models may find that a judge's accuracy on static tests does not predict how well it trains a model. Choosing judges may require checking the quality of the trained model, not only the judge's scores. The snippet cuts off the study's final takeaway, so the full conclusion should be checked in the original source.

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